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| Grave of Nigger, RAF Scampton. |
Remember Stephen Fry and his vocal stand for free speech and the stupidity of political correctness? Well, once Hollywood crosses his palm with a few bits of silver he sells out like a cheap whore. What a fucking hypocrite!
Dambusters is to be remade by Peter Jackson (Lord of the Rings) and Fry is writing the script but they are afraid that Guy Gibson's dog's name may upset the American audience. You see, Guy Gibson called his dog 'Nigger'. Further than that, 'Nigger' was the codename for the breaching of some of the the dams!
So Fry is going to change the name 'Nigger' to 'Digger'. Well fuck you Mr Fry! You may think it's fine changing British history just to fill your pockets full of silver because the Americans may be offended but l don't think it's fine and no doubt many others don't either . Oh and these offended Americans can go get fucked too.
What's next Mr Fry? Change the crews of 617 Squadron to Americans? Change Guy Gibson's name to Gay Gibson? Have Arnold Schwarzedigger, Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis blowing up the dams single-handed? Change the Avro Lancaster bombers to Flying Fortress B-17's? Anything to make you a bit more rich and famous eh, Mr Fry? You should hang your head in shame Mr Fry.
Better still, go remake 633 Squadron ... it never existed ... perhaps like your integrity and honesty?
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| 'Nigger' with Gibson and crew 617 Squadron |
No-one agrees with him on his site either. Bet the film WILL have Yanks in it too!
ReplyDeleteThere's quite a number of Canadians, Australians and New Zealaders that were in 617 and some other nationalities. l know of one Canadian pilot that was born in the States and he survived the raid.
ReplyDeleteStephen Fry, an odious little twerp.
ReplyDeleteI doubt if SF personally cares if the dog was called 'Nigger' 'Sambo' or 'Little Black Cunt' but there is NO chance in hell of the 'N-Word' getting past the Hollywood censors unless its spoken by some negro who has made a fortune by shouting out his shopping list and calling it 'music'.
ReplyDeleteMore to the point, should there be a film made about the 'Dambusters' at all? They went out of their way to murder a couple of thousand unarmed women/children and Allied Soldiers who were POWs.
That bit tends to get forgotten in the whole public masturbatory hero worship.
And before the Daily Mailers get all worked up, try imagining if it had been the other way around. What if a German bomber crew had drowned thousands of Brits?
History is as it is, it should not be bowlderised or rewritten in a mistaken attempt to avoid offence to later generations.
ReplyDeleteAnother sop to Hollywood. Doubt they'll mention that over half the casualties (approx 800) were our own allies although one cannot question the bravery of Gibson and his crews.
ReplyDeleteWill we see any of the airmen smoking and drinking or are those censored aswell?
ReplyDeleteHey SBC, how ya doing? Yeah, if they are going to do the film they should do it warts and all. Unfortunately it's Hollywood and not HBO so don't expect anything like that and definitely not of the quality of Downfall or Das Boot.
ReplyDeleteHi SH, am still in Germany but heading back to the (Y)UK this week with several kilos more than the Skeds allow.
ReplyDeleteBTW did you get the 'non cigarette machine' post?
Stay in Kraut land if you hate it here!
Delete"although one cannot question the bravery of Gibson and his crews."-Anon
ReplyDeleteIf one accepts that the IRA bomber who was also 'at war' and who drove a truck full of highly unstable home made explosives into London was brave then yes I agree Gibson et al were 'brave'...although personally the word 'foolhardy' would seem more apt when one considers the life expectancy of a bomber crew.
However I see nothing 'brave' about dropping bombs on unarmed people, the same way as I see nothing brave about blowing the arms and legs of passerbys in some IRA 'outrage'.
Bravery is a bit of a misused term.
I'm unable to agree with SBC on this, although I admit his argument has validity. And I do approve of unpopular opinions. :-)
ReplyDeleteIncidentally, foolhardiness is much in demand in a major war, being indistinguishable from bravery.
It's such a long time since we had one, the authorities, do-gooders, and fake charities are now trying to eliminate it.
Stephen Fry? Big, big disappointment.
@SH, " Arnold Schwarzedigger"? Heehee!
Modern information technology has made vast amounts of statistical and anecdotal evidence available to the historian but what sometimes gets lost in this mass of information is the immediacy and emotion caused by the raw fear of warfare. Normal reactions to events judged sitting in the arm chair by the fire side are not the same as those as when ones life and existence is tangibly at risk.
ReplyDeleteThe crews never knew of their destination or target till the 11th hour. They had to fly across Holland and Germany at a height classed in aeronautical terms of zero feet. The actual height they had to fly above the water of the dams was only 60ft (the wingspan of the Lancaster was 102 ft!)and maintain a constant speed. They could not deviate from their flight attack path regardless of anti-aircraft guns etc.
lt is correct to say one has to be foolhardy to do such a thing but l believe bravery comes into it too. War is a terrible thing but l think it's wrong to judge these men when we did not live in those dark times. The morality of this mission lies with the top brass who ordered it and not with the men who took part in the mission.
SBC ... just found the post in the trash! ... Duh? Thanks l'll put it up shortly
ReplyDelete"The morality of this mission lies with the top brass who ordered it and not with the men who took part in the mission."
ReplyDeleteThat's where we part company I'm afraid. Since Nuremberg the 'was just following orders' defence no longer flies in a court of law.
I'm not saying bravery doesn't come into such a thing but the truly brave are those who refuse to obey an order they know to be illegal.
ps. no need to post up the 'teddy interrogation' post as your own 'Statement Of Truth' post on the subject was much better i feel.
I remember a few years ago now a brass band called the black dyke mills band were due to play in carnegie hall. the yanks asked them if they would change their name to the john fosters band who were their sponsors at the time. they basically got told where to go. there were a few demonstrations outside the venue but they remained 'the black dyke mills band'
ReplyDeletethats one thing the yanks dont have - traditional and history, they invent history to suite themselves
ReplyDelete@Shinar
ReplyDeleteNuremberg had nothing to do with justice, it was sadistic revenge and nothing less. How could it be anything other when Stalin was involved? The Nuremberg Trials spat in the face of justice and laughed.
Very idealistic point of view SBC but realistic? l think not.
ReplyDelete"Nuremberg had nothing to do with justice, it was sadistic revenge and nothing less"
ReplyDeleteI can't really disagree but it did set some principles. But no, it certainly wasn't the Allies finest hour.
l understand from good authority that the UKBA adopted the procedures from Nuremberg for interviewing shoppers returning from the EU. UKBA also adopted Soviet style 'evidence' which we term today as 'Skeds' :)
ReplyDeleteLMAO UKBA>NUREMBERG!
ReplyDeleteFry is a tosser! nuff said
If the list of overt, flagrant, and arrogant hypocrisies Stephen Fry has committed were written down, they would be enough to fill an entire blog page easily ( though it would take hours ). Even if you only start at his running away from Grey's play "cell mates", which he afterwards, and much later, justified as being due to 'mental illness', which he discovered AFTER making a documentary on the subject for the BBC ( which, I might add, is a consummate example of why one shouldn't be too quick to judge the Yanks on 'adjusting' facts...BBC does it all the time, with Fry's occasional help )...and then added to the list post-bi-polar ( where was he during the 80's fighting for gay rights? oh, right, he was ' a celibate' and so not really gay LOL ), and expense bungling, and doing every voice over, commercial, [insert more whoring here]....the point is, Fry is an immense hypocrite who claims to also be a Jew ( although apparantly only part-time...and technically, not actually Jewish but it plays well when one's on a 'History' show )...
ReplyDeleteBTW, someone mentioned his site being against the name change of Nigger. No, they're not. In fact, they'll shut you down faster than you can blink if you try to bring it up. One does not question 'the Fry' on his site.