The terrible consequences of Second Hand Smoke in Pubs ... Redux!

Seeing as we are to get reruns of scaremongering adverts on the dangers of second hand smoke l thought it would be an ideal opportunity to re-run and update this post (originally posted Dec 2011). It deals with my mother's side of the family as l know little of my father's side). 

Update is ... we are all still here, no-one is in bad health or has been in hospital except for my mother who has had her knees replaced (can you blame that on second hand smoke? ... probably the antismokers will find a way). My sister has quit smoking and now uses nicotine gum. That's it ... update complete! 

Oh, how come these researchers never seem to find people like us for their statistics?

p.s. Hi Katy xxx 

p.p.s. 2 of my sisters were born in the pub ... in bedrooms open to second hand smoke! 

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I was brought up in a pub that was owned by my grandmother. She had owned pubs long before l was born and had 3 children. One was my mother and the other 2  my uncles. My grandmother never smoked but my mother and uncles did although my mother has now stopped. By the time l came along my grandmother was running the pub by herself because she had divorced my grandfather (another smoker).My 2 uncles now had families and homes of their own as did my mother but because my father (and my uncles) were deepsea fishermen, my mother (and us kids) spent most of the time at the pub. The reason being that deepsea fishermen were away for 3 weeks and home for an average of only 60hrs so my mother helped my grandmother run the pub.

lt was a glorious time for myself and 2 younger sisters. We were allowed in the pub itself when it was open or until it got busy or it got late and time for us to get ready for bed. We lived in the accommodation on the first floor and the bedrooms were on the 2nd floor. Access to the first floor was by an open staircase, indeed this open staircase continued to the 2nd floor. To get to the stair case from the pub itself, you either came from a door that opened directly to the main bar or another door straight into the lounge bar. The area at the bottom of the stairs was like a small hallway where the slot machines were. Also off this hallway was the door to the yard and gents toilets. As you can imagine the doors to both bars were in frequent use. This would mean all that deadly Second Hand Smoke was constantly invading this hallway and rising up to our living quarters and our bedrooms. Oh, and not to forget the people playing the slot machines were adding to the second hand smoke as they were invariably smoking too.

The pub actually had another room as well as the main bar and lounge, this was the 'Snug'. It could hold about 30 people but l can't honestly remember it ever been in use. My grandmother told me it was for customers who preferred not to be in the smoky bar and lounge. All the bars had real fires and sometimes l helped out by cleaning out the fires in the mornings and starting new ones. l hated doing the one in the Snug because nobody used it but my grandmother used to tell me that somebody might use it and so it had to be done. l've asked my mother about this and she says it was used on occasions but very rarely. The only other difference this Snug had in relation to the other bars was it didn't have direct access to the bar itself. You had to come out of the Snug door and walk 2 metres across the pubs side entrance (still inside the pub though)  to a counter that was at the bar. My mother says that it was too secluded from the main bars where all the customers always were. So we have a little Snug room, secluded from the main bars and the deadly smoke but nobody used it! ... mmmmm.

The pub was always busy as it was the centre of the community. Lots of houses round it along with a few little shops. lt was a working man's pub to the core.

Here is a picture of the pubs main bar at Xmas circa 1960. You'll note all the smoke filling the bar from all the many smokers,  yes? ... well maybe not.

Here is a pic of the front of the pub. Both windows are the main bar  with the entrance in the middle. lf you look at the bottom right you will see the beginning of the pub's side entrance where the Snug was. The Snug had a window similar to the windows shown in this pic. So, you had window, main entrance, window, side entrance, window.

 This is a pic of the side entrance ,,, Easter Bonnet Competition. My grandmother is the lady on the far left and l forgot to mention her ... the little old lady in the brown outfit is my great grandmother that stayed with my grandmother occasionally.

Right, now to the terrible consequences, my great grandmother died at the age of 98 and she smoked all her life, my grandmother (non-smoker) died at the age of 86 due to a road traffic accident. My mother is 80 next month, her brother (my uncle is 85) and her elder brother (my uncle) is 93 and all are active and never had any major surgery or illnesses.

l started smoking at 36 (last time l was in hospital was when l was 6 when l had my tonsils out), eldest of my younger sisters started smoking at 22  and is in good health, my other 2 sisters don't smoke and never have and both are in good health. Wait you say! ... earlier on you said 2 sisters? Yes my youngest sister was actually born in the pub in one of the bedrooms. 

l have 2 daughters and 3 nieces, 3 out of the 5 are smokers. l've got 5 cousins on my mothers side and 3 of them smoke ... all are in good health. 

Last but not least, my grandfather (smoker) ... died at the age of 76 of a heart attack.

These are the terrible consequences of Second Hand Smoke in a very smoky pub. A time of pipes, Woodbines and Capstan Full Strength cigarettes (filter cigarettes were for girlies!)

The pub still exists today but all the houses around it were demolished and the community scattered. There are a few industrial units but that's all. Sad to see the old Star and Garter like that.

So, these aren't just stats, they are MY stats backed up with living evidence and facts ... real facts. Oh, and just for good measure l think l should throw in that none of my family, neither past or present, are or ever have been tee-total.

Think ASH or Alcohol Concern would be interested in my stats?  :)


  1. I remember this story sitting here now, reading it way back when - and it's still as charming right now as it was when I first read it. Very charming true story that someone in the main line press should pick up and re-print if they had any balls for telling the truth.

  2. Wonderful post! lt brought back memories of how pubs used to be. @ Anon 3.50 l don't think the MSM would go near this story as it recounts historical facts spanning 50 years or more about SHS but has no deaths, illnesses that has cost the NHS money. Why on earth would they use something like that eh? Same goes for ASH, CRUK. It's all doom doom doom from them and they love scaring the masses don't they?

  3. WTF? still none of you dead or dying? how dare you? lmao

  4. So the drones are to have their fear of second hand smoke ramped up again, are they?

    I've been thinking about telling them that all the grey dust they see everywhere has come from the millions upon millions of cigarettes smoked over all the years of smoking, and it never, ever goes away. Never. Fag Fallout coats the planet now and there is no escape. They are all going to die of the Lumps, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, it is hopeless. Their grandchildren will all look like the ones from 'The Hills have Eyes' and there is absolutely no way to change it now.

    Maybe this time, I'll get to see their hair turn white as I speak.

    No mercy.

  5. Good repost, it was great first time round as I think I commented. Love those old pics. :)

  6. XX The reason being that deepsea fishermen were away for 3 weeks and home for an average of only 60hrs XX

    3 Weeks??? Amateures! :-)

    3 MONTHS was more like it. (Cod, Berents and Barents. Alaska, Narwik, and Murmansk were "home". (Also the "markets"))

    60 hours is about right.

    Then people ask "Why do you drink beer at 6 A.M?.

    I will tell you why, We do not drink at sea, and when you finish a days work, do YOU go to the pub?

    Yes! So do we! and after three months at sea, in a part of the world where it can be daylight for 24 hours, we have no "feeling for time".

    It no longer EXISTS!

    Full Sunday roast, with beer, at 3 A.M, and back to the ship to mend nets, and practice "emergency drill".

    THOSE were the days, my friend!

    1. Ah my dear Furor, we are talking of different times. l refer to the time of sidewinders ... before the advent of freezer ships. My father and uncles sailed at the age of 13/14, l sailed at the age of 16.


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